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Old 01-27-2013, 08:53 PM
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Default M111 vs. B118 rootstock

Will some of the experts give me a short common sense outline of the uses, advantages and disadvantages or each?
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:57 PM
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Choosing a rootstock for your wildlife orchard

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Rootstock selection is not an easy task. Orchardists pain over choosing a rootstock, so don't feel bad. I've put together a list of rootstocks that I think are appropriate for wildlife plantings. The descriptions are from my own observation, not based on any scientific data....Here is what I recommend..at this point at least. Starting with the most preferred...quick..read it before I change my mind.

Budagovsky118

B118 produces a tree that is up to 95% of full size. It is well anchored, disease resistant and winter hardy. Bud 118 survived -30F at my house. Bud 118 is more productive and early bearing than other standard size rootstocks. It has never suckered (at my place) and seems to tolerate a variety of soils.

M111

M111 is a good choice for people that are looking for a rootstock that tolerates heavier soils. M111 makes a 75% size tree. M111 anchors well, and does well with early bearing and spur varieties. M111 is slow to get going, and doesn't do much year 1-3, but once it gets going, puts on lots of wood. M111 has spy in it's parentage, and I blame its slow bearing on that...?? On most locations, M111 produced fruit by year 5-8 at my place, but did not produce quantity until after 10 years.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:39 PM
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Thanks Crazy for the info. All my crabapples fro Hortonville are b118 this year.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:37 AM
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Will some of the experts give me a short common sense outline of the uses, advantages and disadvantages or each?

As a Northern Grower in Northwestern Vermont, I have had the opportunity
to grow apple trees on both M111 and B118. Based on my observations
B118 is far superior for growth rate, yield efficiency, and early bearing.
Winter mortality due to extremely low tempertures is quite low for both
rootstocks, but most studies show B118 as being the more winter hardy
of the two. I sell around 2000 trees every year, all of which are now offered
on B118 rootstock. Over the years, I have eliminated G30, MM7, M106, and
M111 from the list favoring the B118 for its distinct advantages.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:33 PM
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Wish y'all had started this a couple weeks ago before I ordered trees on m111. Wonder if I can swap since the order isn't supposed to ship until march. Any speculation on impact of our longer growing season down here?
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:44 AM
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The only advantage i can see with M111 over B118 is that you can actually get away without staking M111.

Why? Because it doesnt fruit until it has a 4" dia. Buy a puppy when you plant your M111 and when the dogs so old you have to put it down, you will start getting a couple apples off your M111 tree.

Just to keep in perspective.

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Old 01-29-2013, 08:54 AM
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Dont know if this has been posted before but some good info on cold hardy rootstocks for wisconsin, apple, pears, plums and others


http://learningstore.uwex.edu/assets/pdfs/A3561.pdf
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Could someone tell me where I can order small amounts of these rootstocks?
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:17 AM
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The only advantage i can see with M111 over B118 is that you can actually get away without staking M111.

Why? Because it doesnt fruit until it has a 4" dia. Buy a puppy when you plant your M111 and when the dogs so old you have to put it down, you will start getting a couple apples off your M111 tree.

Just to keep in perspective.

Ben

Right on Ben! I prefer the B118 over M111 for that very reason. Its been some time since we connected. Just want to let you know my Galarina's are doing great. Anxious to see in a few years if they are everything I think they will be for wildlife. Stay tuned...
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Could someone tell me where I can order small amounts of these rootstocks?

I just ordered B.118 from Cummins Nursery. Pretty sure they have M.111 as well.
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Anyone have any thoughts on B118 in heavy soild? I know the M111 is best suited, but that does not mean the faster growing B118 wouldnt grow welll still!
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Anyone have any thoughts on B118 in heavy soild? I know the M111 is best suited, but that does not mean the faster growing B118 wouldnt grow welll still!

I asked the guys at Cummins the same question not too long ago and they said it will grow just fine in heavier soils.

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What are your feelings towards the Antonovka rootstock on crabapple trees. I have some coming from St.lawrence this spring. Also some crabs from cummins on b118. Does anyone have any experience with Wafler nursery? They also have there trees on b118. I have a couple of there deer packages coming also. I spoke with Bill there and he said these trees are impressive 2 year olds about 3/4 caliper at least. Thanks. I love the apple threads and all the posts. I just wished I knew about this 8 years ago when we were just planting store parking lot trees every spring. But some have started fruiting last year. First time.lol
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Question. What if you took b118 and let it grow and mature. What kind of Apple would you get?
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http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/w...18/index_e.htm

It would be this.

and other rootstocks here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/w...01/index_e.htm
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Can I take scions and graft the onto rootstock and have them in the ground in spring or does the rootstock need to establish for a year or more?
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Can I take scions and graft the onto rootstock and have them in the ground in spring or does the rootstock need to establish for a year or more?

Yes you can graft and then plant, its called bench grafting in the nursery business. You can plant and grow your rootstock out for the summer if the size is too small to graft to.

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That leads me to my next question. If kept in the correct conditions will scions last longer that 12 months?
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That leads me to my next question. If kept in the correct conditions will scions last longer that 12 months?

No. At least extremely unlikely.

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When a nursery lists a tree as "standard" what root stock is it?
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