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Old 12-16-2006, 11:50 AM
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Default No-Till Drill for use with an ATV?

This fall we purchased an ATV. Had to choose between that and a tractor, couldn't afford both. It's not just for food-plotting, as we have a business where we are using it a lot. However, I did purchase it keeping food-plotting, mowing, etc. in mind. We got a Suzuki Vinson 500. My question is, do they make a no-till drill that can be used with an ATV?

Most of my area to be planted with plots is on the side of a hill, and there is no way I'm discing that hill, erosion would be horrendous. I know, because I live on a similiar hill nearby and we had a heck of a time getting grass established in our yard. No-till is really the only option for me. I would like to plant corn, sunflowers, sorghum and several pea varieties with the drill.

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Old 12-16-2006, 12:25 PM
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Kasco has a no-till drill for atv's. I believe they have more than one model of no-till drills for your atv. Website is www.kascomfg.com. It is a pull-type called the Versa-drill. Handles seeds from alfalfa, clover, turnips, rye to sunflowers,soybeans, corn, and lablab.
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Old 12-16-2006, 05:43 PM
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Check this one out.

Dew Drop Drill

http://www.dewdropdrill.com/
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:07 PM
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Jamar, do you know which of those drills is meant for use with the ATV, and any idea on cost?

pharmer, the Dew Drop Drill looks like a pretty sweet package. Do you have personal experience with it? Any idea on cost?

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Old 12-17-2006, 12:10 PM
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Here is another one made by Sukup. I don't know anything about it I just know they make it.

http://www.sukup.com/food_plot.htm

To the best of my knowledge I believe this one and the other two listed are the only ATV no till drills.

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Old 12-17-2006, 12:42 PM
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Will these drills work in very rocky soil?? I like the concept but think we have too many rocks at our place in NE PA!!
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The 4-foot Versa-Drill by Kasco is meant to be used with an atv. I got these prices from a kasco distributor. The website is www.edneyco.com

ATV Pull-Type Models

48'' ATV Pull-Type Drill - 4 Rows (10'' spacing) - $US6095.00
48'' ATV Pull-Type Drill - 5 Rows (9'' spacing) - $US6715.00

3-Point Hitch Models (Cat.I)
48'' 3-Point No-Till Drill - 4 Rows (10'' spacing) - $US4865.00
48'' 3-Point No-Till Drill - 5 Rows (9'' spacing) - $US5490.00
72'' 3-Point No-Till Drill - 9 Rows (8'' spacing) - $US8505.00

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Overall Unit Features:

Pull-type and 3-pt. Drills available
Call or email for more detailed pricing and availability
Model widths from 48" - 72''
Row numbers from 4-9, respectively
Row Spacing from 6 in. - 10 in. respectively
Electric Winch Lift System on ATV Models
Less seed waste and better germination
Rugged design durable enough for use in no-till conditions
All ground-engaging components are rolling: no shanks to drag trash
Unique Seed Metering System allows a SINGLE seed box to handle a wide variety of seed types and sizes
Better seed placement than scattering with a drop seeder
Optional Attachments:

Coil Tine Harrows (one & two bar)
Agitators for Standard 48- and 72'' Seedboxes
Legume Box (for planting different seed sizes at the same time)
Herd ATV Fertilizer Spreader with Rheostat Speed Control
Seed Tube Plugs
Drive Wheels for 72'' Drills (for very rough conditions)
Mud Scrapers for 48- and 72'' Cultipacker Wheels
3-Speed Gearbox


........ I hope this helps. Good Luck.
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Thumbs up ATV drill

Been useing the Dew drop drill about 3 seasons, and plant every thing from native grasses, yard grass, food plot mixes, P.F. mixes and just about any thing I want to throw in it. They are not cheap ($6500.00) but well worth it, it is going to last for ever.. The neet thing is it plants a 3foot wide path with no rows, just a solid path, no room for weeds, and no rows for varmits to chase birds. If your planting corn it won't be in row, but deer don't give ahoot. I just hook on to it, no wiring, just go. Got 2 seed boxes and a bunch of differant settings. Kasco good unit but to much thinking and can't seed 2 differant type of seed at the same time and rows to wide for good cover some mixes. Sukup to tall and top heavy. Plot master just a toy. They do have an attachment for rocky ground too. Thats my 2cents, I wouldn't give it up.

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That is about what I remember thr price for the Dew Drop. Talked to them, quality people from my home state- I just couldn't swing the price. Everyone I have talked to with an ATV unit has said- "no regrets". I'll have to make things work with broadcasting until I can find a used drill I can afford.
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Thinking about getting an ATV drill and the ones mentioned here are very good but very expensive. Does anyone know if this unit has any merit? http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...FclDMgodOw8Agg
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Jamar, do you know which of those drills is meant for use with the ATV, and any idea on cost?

pharmer, the Dew Drop Drill looks like a pretty sweet package. Do you have personal experience with it? Any idea on cost?

qdmohio

I took a look at the Dew Drop link. It does not claim to be a no-till drill. Kasco does. I have a 4' Kasco versa drill. Mine is on a 3-point hitch, but it is basically the same thing except you don't have the ATV frame.

I paid about $3K for mine used. It works very well on tilled ground as a regular drill. It works "ok" after a fashion as a no-till drill. It has no issue planting seed. Adjusting seed depth is more of an art than a science. It has no depth limiting wheels. The best way I've found is to add weight based on soil conditions. The worst feature is trash. It does not handle trash well. I basically have to check it after each pass for trash catching between the opener wheels and the mud scrapers that block the seed tubes. The best feature is the seed metering system. You can plant about any seed or mix of seeds with it. You simply have to calibrate it for your mix like any drill.

I use mine mainly for beans and corn. I also love to drill cereal and radish into dormant (or suppressed) clover. It works great for that and never clogs in those dormant clover fields.

It is a pain in the butt, but it is still one of the best equipment investments I've made.

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Thinking about getting an ATV drill and the ones mentioned here are very good but very expensive. Does anyone know if this unit has any merit? http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...FclDMgodOw8Agg

That's not a drill, it's a 2 row planter. I don't know anything about that model, but suspect it would do corn and beans fine. Most planters don't do small seeds, but since it mentions gardening perhaps it has some plates for small seeds.
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I'm not sure I could justify spending $6,500 on a drill that will work behind a quad...if I was going to spend that kind of money, it would be on a tractor.
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A good no-till drill is an investment, not a cost! Compare new vs used! Do that with any small piece of farm equipment. Your cost is the cost of money and maintenance. When you're finished with it, you'll sell it at little less than your original purchase price.

I know, you still have to pay for it....and I ask my wife that question often!
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I'm not sure I could justify spending $6,500 on a drill that will work behind a quad...if I was going to spend that kind of money, it would be on a tractor.

I am getting to that point too. It would be neat to have. Just depends on what you want to plant. But for my small plots, this is all I need, I am finding. And will be easy on the bank account while I save coin for new land, truck or home.

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A good no-till drill is an investment, not a cost! Compare new vs used! Do that with any small piece of farm equipment. Your cost is the cost of money and maintenance. When you're finished with it, you'll sell it at little less than your original purchase price.

I know, you still have to pay for it....and I ask my wife that question often!

What is the ROI on a no-till drill? I'm not saying it isn't an investment, but for most folks, I'm thinking it would take a LONG time to pay off.
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What is the ROI on a no-till drill? I'm not saying it isn't an investment, but for most folks, I'm thinking it would take a LONG time to pay off.

Only if you don't count labor. I'm burning fuel but more importantly time and OM when I till. I'm a weekend warrior, so for me it is not so much the labor costs in dollars, but what else I can be doing with a finite amount of hours. Another consideration for weekend warriors is planting window. I can plant a lot more acres per hour under worse field conditions when I don't till. I couple poorly timed rainy weekends can really play havoc with my planting window when I need to till. It also means I'm stirring up more weeds, so add in some herbicide costs. There are also things I can do with a no-till drill that are tough any other way. For example, by drilling WR and GHR into dormant or suppressed clover, I'm making a field more attractive for fall and at the same time using up some of the excess N which the clover is banking. That means less herbicide and perhaps an extra year or two before I need to rotate out of clover. Then, look at the difference between broadcast and drill rates. Not a big deal for most crops, but those Eagle beans and Corn cost/lb add up pretty quickly.

Your point about buying a tractor first is very well taken. Also, if you are working on a few tiny attractant plots, it would take forever to pay off. However, if you are doing full QDM with significant acreage under till, the pay off can be pretty quickly. Not only in dollars, but also in the amount of acreage you can manage.

Personally, I wouldn't try to go too low end. The Kasco is about as low end as I would go. The 3K I paid for my Kasco has more than been paid back already and that is despite the many issues with it that I've discussed in previous posts.

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If you are good with a welder and can find one like this it can easily be pulled with an atv. Buffalo no till and I paid 500 for 3 rows. A 2 row would be easier on an atv though.
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If you are good with a welder and can find one like this it can easily be pulled with an atv. Buffalo no till and I paid 500 for 3 rows. A 2 row would be easier on an atv though.

We bought a old grain drill that was cut in half and it works great with an ATV.
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What is the ROI on a no-till drill?.

Compared to what? You're right. If you have to worry about how long it takes to pay it off, then it's probably a bad investment. After you have the basics in hand consider what makes sense for you.

I would assert (assertions are different than hard, cold facts, I admit) that if you spend $4,500 for a no-till drill you can use, take care of it, and sell it in 10 years for as much or more than you paid. So, what's your return on investment?

It's more than money....
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