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Old 08-28-2013, 04:40 PM
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I recently purchased 130 acres and have 15 in tillable currently. The farmer leaves some up for me in beans or corn. I of course would prefer to buy a tractor and all the implements and do it myself, but it is gonna be a few years before i get there.

If I was to supply the seed / what is the cost per acre to have a local farmer plant, mow, spray, etc as needed... do guys generally charge you by acre, by hr?
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:58 PM
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easiest/smartest would prob be to buy it off the farmer.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:01 PM
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I recently purchased 130 acres and have 15 in tillable currently. The farmer leaves some up for me in beans or corn. I of course would prefer to buy a tractor and all the implements and do it myself, but it is gonna be a few years before i get there.

If I was to supply the seed / what is the cost per acre to have a local farmer plant, mow, spray, etc as needed... do guys generally charge you by acre, by hr?

Most farming (not to be confused with plotting) will be done by the acre as they cover larger amounts in shorter time than food plotters. Depends on the farmer and what they want to charge, if they have the time to mess with a small acreage or ability to work with large equipment in the small confines depending on field layout.

If going with a custom farming application you will have charges per acre for each pass and cost varies with the cost of implements needed/used. All extra charges (Fertilizer, chemicals, seed, etc...) will be paid by property owner. Coops have charges for spraying and spreading fertilizer and lime also. You have to consider as many farmers use them to save time and money on purchase of specialized equipment which is not used but a few times a year.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:06 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts. It is basically three 5 acre plots which are all connected that he rotates bean / corn.
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Most farmers would not even do it that I know.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:34 PM
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However it turns out, it sure looks like a great piece of property.
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I lease my tillable to the neighbor who cash crops.I always have him leave about 3-5 acres standing in corn. What we do is at harvest time he tells me the average of how many bushel to the acre he is getting combining. I pay him the current rate per bushel/acre at the time of harvest to leave it stand.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:47 PM
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I would think that the deal you have going now is the best. You get rent money and crops. Chances are great that the farmer with the right equipment and experience will grow corn and beans better and cheaper than you can. The fact that he leaves some of each standing for you should be great for hunting season and afterwards.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:49 PM
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that is one hell of a nice property. congrats!

can't answer your question but curious what kind of answers you'll get.
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Wow....you have to be tickled to death. Good luck with whatever you do. Either way.....not doing anything at all is worse than doing something wrong.

One suggestion.....work on natural forage as much as possible, not just food plots. I did that when I first bought my 63 acres. I wish now I had broken out the chainsaw much sooner. Try to cut your poor timber that isn't worth harvesting to create thicker habitat.
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I would think that the deal you have going now is the best. You get rent money and crops. Chances are great that the farmer with the right equipment and experience will grow corn and beans better and cheaper than you can. The fact that he leaves some of each standing for you should be great for hunting season and afterwards.

I still think good deal, but to be clear in lieu of rent payment he leaves 15-20% of crop standing. I am going to work on smaller kill plots on my own and plant some apple trees in the spring. First fall just gonna spend as much time afield as possible observing/hunting.
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:32 AM
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I see some huge potiental with what you have. If you don't need the money, don't rent it out. They first thing I would do is get that southern field in warm season grass, and or a combination of trees. I use spruce. Maybe keep a small kill plot, set up for your prevailing wind. Centralize your food plot to that center field...what is that 4 acres or so? If you have to keep some food around, let the farmer rent that one till you get the right equipment. Definetly turn that southern field into a warm season grass.

Northern field...more warm season grass, an apple/ pear orchard. Nothern kill plot? Maybe get some water on that northern end? Get to know the land for now and how the deer use it. Than build on it. I never would like being so close to an interstate, but what you gonna do.

If you don't need the moeny don't rent it out. Do alot of reading out hingecutting by LC. There are also a few habitat pros on this site. Read everything they have to say. Have fun with it.
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Thanks for your thoughts. I am not sure if u can tell but there is 10-15 acres in crp around all the fields. It is currently enrolled in a riparian cool season grass program for another 5 yrs.

I contacted the FSA recently and they said I could upgrade the practice to NWSG if I wanted to - no cost share but that is not a major concern assuming the switch substantially improves doe bedding and general feeling of security for deer using the plots. what do u think of making the change to NWSG in the spring?
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Thanks for your thoughts. I am not sure if u can tell but there is 10-15 acres in crp around all the fields. It is currently enrolled in a riparian cool season grass program for another 5 yrs.

I contacted the FSA recently and they said I could upgrade the practice to NWSG if I wanted to - no cost share but that is not a major concern assuming the switch substantially improves doe bedding and general feeling of security for deer using the plots. what do u think of making the change to NWSG in the spring?

Personally, I would keep the program you have for now, if you're getting payments from it. I would talk to your farmer about his thoughts on you spreading rye seed into the standing beans before they get harvested. It would be a cheap way for you to get more food for the fall/winter, and would help the soil at the same time. I agree with those who speak of timber stand improvement. Thick woods help keep the deer on your place during the daylight hours. I see you have maple in places, and maple regrowth is a very desirable browse for deer in the winter time. If your state has foresters available to look at your property, I would get them out there as soon as possible.Beautiful place, congratulations!
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Personally, I would keep the program you have for now, if you're getting payments from it. I would talk to your farmer about his thoughts on you spreading rye seed into the standing beans before they get harvested. It would be a cheap way for you to get more food for the fall/winter, and would help the soil at the same time. I agree with those who speak of timber stand improvement. Thick woods help keep the deer on your place during the daylight hours. I see you have maple in places, and maple regrowth is a very desirable browse for deer in the winter time. If your state has foresters available to look at your property, I would get them out there as soon as possible.Beautiful place, congratulations!

Agreed and possibly add radish (other brassicas) as well.
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:41 AM
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I would continue to receive payments if i converted to a higher value use per the FSA, such as NWSG. They would however not pay a cost share for the new installation since they paid a cost share on the cool season grass installation.
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I agree with those who speak of timber stand improvement. Thick woods help keep the deer on your place during the daylight hours. I see you have maple in places, and maple regrowth is a very desirable browse for deer in the winter time. If your state has foresters available to look at your property, I would get them out there as soon as possible.Beautiful place, congratulations!

I did have the forester out before i closed on the property - he is working up a management plan but i am not really sure how long that will take. He clearly understood my goals of wildlife mgmt first and foremost so hopefully he will come back with some interesting ideas... I am probably going to wait until after the season before i start doing any TSI or consider a select timber harvest. Partially because i do not want to be out there messing with the deer too much this late in the summer, but mostly because i want to get a sense of how the deer are using the property, prevailing winds, etc.
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