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Old 10-20-2012, 03:11 PM
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Thumbs down Indiana 20 Deer Escape Trophy Buck Game Farm State Officials Fear Cwd Risk To Wild

Escaped deer pose risk of spreading disease in Indiana

State wildlife officials fear the missing animals could have been exposed to fatal ailment

Twenty deer escaped this spring from a Jackson County farm where trophy bucks with huge antlers are bred and sold to fenced-in, private hunting preserves. Department of Natural Resources officials, may be infected with chronic wasting disease. / (Charlie Nye/The Star)

Deer hunters in four southeastern Indiana counties have been given an unusual directive by state wildlife officials: If you see a deer with a yellow tag in its ear, kill it.

And call a biologist.

The deer, say Department of Natural Resources officials, may be infected with chronic wasting disease.

The edict comes after 20 deer escaped this spring from a Jackson County farm where trophy bucks with huge antlers are bred and sold to fenced-in, private hunting preserves. Seven of the deer remain unaccounted for.

Wildlife officials worry about chronic wasting disease spreading here, devastating what is currently a thriving deer population of 500,000 to 1 million animals.

The disease, which is causing havoc in several states, including Wisconsin, hasn't yet made its way to Indiana. Officials don't think it poses a risk to humans or other livestock.

DNR spokesman Phil Bloom said the escape highlights a larger issue.

"This case," he said, "underscores the concern many have about how the commercialization of wildlife and interstate trafficking in wildlife presents a Pandora's box, with the potential spread of a deadly disease that does have some wide-ranging consequences."

In this case, Bloom said, biologists are hoping those consequences can be minimized with some help from hunters -- and motorists unlucky enough to hit and kill one of the tagged deer.

The alert not only includes Jackson County, where the release occurred, but also neighboring Bartholomew, Jennings and Scott counties. Licensed hunters and motorists who kill tagged deer are urged to immediately call (812) 837-9536.

The DNR and the Indiana Board of Animal Health will retrieve the carcass so it can be tested for the disease.

Bloom said of particular interest are any deer with a yellow ear tag and two numbers on it, or any deer with a tag bearing the prefix "IN 764" followed by another four numbers.

Hunters who shoot one of the deer will be issued a new license free of charge.

DNR officials are concerned because a Pennsylvania farm -- where chronic wasting disease was detected -- sold 10 animals to farms in Indiana over the past three years. Bloom said two does were sold to farms in Noble and Whitley counties; the rest went to a farm in Jackson County.

Some of the Jackson County deer were moved to a fourth facility in Jackson County, where the escape happened.

Shawn Hanley, president of the Indiana Deer and Elk Farmers' Association, said a storm caused a tree to fall on the farm's fence. A Pennsylvania buck remains on the loose.

"We have been in contact with the DNR and with the (Indiana Board of Animal Health), and will cooperate fully with attempts to recover the lost animal," Hanley said in an email.

Citing the ongoing investigation, Bloom declined to release the name of the farms. So did Douglas Metcalf, chief of staff for the Board of Animal Health.

Meanwhile, Metcalf said, each of the four farms is under quarantine, and the animals are being tested for the disease.

Of the 20 deer that got loose, Bloom said, 11 were immediately recaptured, one was hit by a car and a bow hunter shot another this fall.

Rick D. Miller, the owner of the 2.5 Karat Game Ranch in nearby Bartholomew County, says he's outraged by what happened. The farm where the deer escaped, he said, isn't one of the 385 Indiana deer farms that voluntarily allow officials to test their herds for the disease.

"We don't want these crazy things to happen," said Miller, a former president of the Indiana Deer and Elk Farmers' Association.

Miller said Indiana's $50 million-a-year game-farming industry has a lot to lose if the disease spreads. And so does he.

At any given time, Miller says, he keeps between two dozen and 60 elk and white-tail deer on his farm. He collects deer urine to sell. Some hunters buy bottles of the urine as a deer attractant. Big "shooter" bucks can be sold to captive hunt facilities for $1,500 to $2,500.

Breeding stock can sell for $1,000 to $250,000, depending on the size and genetics of the buck.

In Indiana, at least, the future of farmers who sell to local game clubs remains unclear. In 2006, the DNR passed rules banning high-fence hunting because the facilities were deemed unsporting and a potential disease risk. The clubs sued in response.

A judge issued an injunction prohibiting a ban, leaving the facilities in business for the time being.

Bloom of the DNR said the legal challenges are pending.

Follow Star reporter Ryan Sabalow at twitter.com/RyanSabalow. Call him at (317) 444-6179.




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THE states are going to have to regulate how many farms that are allowed, or every state in the USA will wind up being just one big private fenced in game farm.


kind of like they did with the shrimping industry in the bays, when there got to be too many shrimp boats, you stop issuing permits, and then lower the exist number of permits, by not renewing them, due to reduced permits issued.


how many states have $465,000., and can quarantine and purchase there from, each cwd said infected farm, but how many states can afford this for all the cwd infected cervid game ranch type farms ???


do all these game farms have insurance to pay for this risk of infected the wild cervid herds, in each state ???




Tuesday, December 20, 2011


CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD WISCONSIN Almond Deer (Buckhorn Flats) Farm Update DECEMBER 2011


The CWD infection rate was nearly 80%, the highest ever in a North American captive herd.


RECOMMENDATION: That the Board approve the purchase of 80 acres of land for $465,000 for the Statewide Wildlife Habitat Program in Portage County and approve the restrictions on public use of the site.



Form 1100-001


(R 2/11)


NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD AGENDA ITEM


SUBJECT: Information Item: Almond Deer Farm Update


FOR: DECEMBER 2011 BOARD MEETING


TUESDAY


TO BE PRESENTED BY TITLE: Tami Ryan, Wildlife Health Section Chief



SUMMARY:




http://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/2011/december/12-11-2b2.pdf




http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...wisconsin.html




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2010 WISCONSIN CAPTIVE DEER ESCAPES


There were 26 reported escape incidents so far this year, this amounted to 20 actual confirmed escape incidents because 3 were previously reported, 2 were confirmed as wild deer, and 1 incident was not confirmed. ...


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Deer, elk continue to escape from state farms

Article by: DOUG SMITH , Star Tribune Updated: March 14, 2011 - 12:08 PM

Curbing chronic wasting disease remains a concern; officials are increasing enforcement.

Almost 500 captive deer and elk have escaped from Minnesota farms over the past five years, and 134 were never recaptured or killed.

So far this year, 17 deer have escaped, and officials are still searching for many of those.



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Friday, September 28, 2012


Stray elk renews concerns about deer farm security Minnesota



http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...bout-deer.html







Monday, June 11, 2012


OHIO Captive deer escapees and non-reporting



http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...s-and-non.html






*** Friday, October 12, 2012


Texas Animal Health Commission (TAHC) is Now Accepting Comments on Rule Proposals for ďChronic Wasting Disease (CWD)Ē TO: comments@tahc.state.tx.us; Texas Animal Health Commission (TAHC)



http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...n-tahc-is.html




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Pennsylvania CWD number of deer exposed and farms there from much greater than first thought


Published: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 10:44 PM Updated: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 11:33 PM


http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogs...r-exposed.html



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Old 10-20-2012, 08:35 PM
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Indiana must not have a mandatory program for tame deer and elk as far as CWD.

Our local wildlife manager and game wardens spend lots of time trying to catch domestic deer and elk. It's an expensive thing and the game farms should be reimbursing the wildlife departments.

Our wildlife manager says he tried to get a rule with no trees within so many feet of the fence, but it did not pass. He had a tree take part of the fence down on a local tame elk farm and the escaped animals were not reported for a long period of time. It was a wooded area and during the summer, so the owner could not keep a good count with leaf cover.
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And thousands of game managers and wildlife officials wouldnt have a job if it weren't for the cwd frenzy, its getting to be a joke for those of us that can see through all the smoke some put around this issue.

Indiana will not allow farmed cervids to enter their state from states where cwd has been found. But hey, some people can't help but attach cwd and game ranches, even if they don't move animals...
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And thousands of game managers and wildlife officials wouldnt have a job if it weren't for the cwd frenzy, its getting to be a joke for those of us that can see through all the smoke some put around this issue.

Indiana will not allow farmed cervids to enter their state from states where cwd has been found. But hey, some people can't help but attach cwd and game ranches, even if they don't move animals...

If you read through terry's post, deer WERE moved around by game farms.
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CWD in a wild or captive herd isn't "fun" for anyone; but transparency in dealing with these issues are critical.

The New Oxford facility here in PA that had a CWD deer test positive in October is where ten of these deer came from.

Guess what? Last week, a deer "escaped" the facility here too.

Yet, our Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture has yet to put out a press release regarding the escaped deer. Nice, huh? Just let it run around in the rut/

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Terry thanks for getting the word out on facebook. This is all developing quickly.

PA had a deer escape and ag has yet to respond to it. They are being apathetic. I dont think they realize.
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Terry thanks for getting the word out on facebook. This is all developing quickly.


PA had a deer escape and ag has yet to respond to it. They are being apathetic. I dont think they realize.



your welcome galthatfishes. wonder if PA AG caught the deer that escaped yet?

in my opinion, that's why the deer game farming industry was so gung ho on the usda taking over cwd, instead of the dnr. really, in my opinion, the USDA et al hung the cervid industry out to dry decades ago in relations to the CWD TSE prion disease, as long as they were holding the gold card, but that changed Dec. 2003. now that cwd has spread so bad, they want to just deregulate, by proxy, i.e. LAX OVERSIGHT, or no oversight at all, and the almighty hunt for the dollar $ do with CWD, what usda did with BSE. due to the long incubation period, the myth that cwd will not, has not transmit to humans, and or other species, which by the way this myth has already come back to haunt them. all that matters to the US dept of AG is TRADE, TRADE, TRADE $ the BSE MRR policy proved this, and so did the exemption of the atypical Nor-98 scrapie from the OIG TSE trade regulations (to hell with the transmission studies and science), that the USDA et al shoved down everyones throat, with junk science. that's another story. that's all this mess has ever been about, money and trade $




the DNR does/did not want CWD in your state.



the USDA et al donít care $$$



Comment from Terry Singeltary

Document ID: APHIS-2011-0032-0002

Document Type: Public Submission

This is comment on Notice:

Agency Information Collection Activities;

Proposals, Submissions, and Approvals: Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Docket ID: APHIS-2011-0032 RIN:

Topics: No Topics associated with this document View Document: Less Document Subtype: Public Comment Status: Posted Received Date: January 24 2012, at 12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time Date Posted: January 25 2012, at 12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time Comment Start Date: January 24 2012, at 12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time Comment Due Date: March 26 2012, at 11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time Tracking Number: 80fa2c68 First Name: Terry Middle Name: S. Last Name: Singeltary City: Bacliff Country: United States State or Province: TX Organization Name: LAYPERSON Submitter's Representative: CJD TSE PRION VICTIMS

Comment: Agency Information Collection Activities; Proposals, Submissions, and Approvals: Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program (Document ID APHIS-2011-0032-0001) I believe that any voluntary program for CWD free herd certification from game farms will be futile, as was the partial and voluntary mad cow feed ban of August 4, 1997. That failed terribly, with some 10,000,000 of banned blood laced MBM being fed out in 2007, a decade post August 4, 1997 partial and voluntary ban. Game farms are a petri dish for CWD TSE Prion disease, with Wisconsin having documented 9 CWD infected game farms, with one having the highest CWD infection rate in the world, 80% CWD infection rate. I believe that all game farms should be SHUT DOWN PERMANENTLY. CWD TSE prion disease survives ashing to 600 degrees celsius, thatís around 1112 degrees farenheit. you cannot cook the CWD TSE prion disease out of meat. you can take the ash and mix it with saline and inject that ash into a mouse, and the mouse will go down with TSE. Prion Infected Meat-and-Bone Meal Is Still Infectious after Biodiesel Production as well. the TSE prion agent also survives Simulated Wastewater Treatment Processes. IN fact, you should also know that the CWD TSE Prion agent will survive in the environment for years, if not decades. you can bury it and it will not go away. CWD TSE agent is capable of infected your water table i.e. Detection of protease-resistant cervid prion protein in water from a CWD-endemic area. itís not your ordinary pathogen you can just cook it out and be done with. thatís whatís so worrisome about Iatrogenic mode of transmission, a simple autoclave will not kill this TSE prion agent.

Tuesday, December 20, 2011

CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD WISCONSIN Almond Deer (Buckhorn Flats) Farm Update DECEMBER 2011


http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/2011/d.../12-11-2b2.pdf


http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/


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http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2011-0032-0002



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Comment from Terry Singeltary Document ID: APHIS-2006-0118-0100 Document Type: Public Submission This is comment on Proposed Rule: Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program and Interstate Movement of Farmed or Captive Deer, Elk, and Moose Docket ID: APHIS-2006-0118 RIN:0579-AB35


Topics: No Topics associated with this document View Document: Less Document Subtype: Public Comment Status: Posted Received Date: May 16 2009, at 05:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time Date Posted: May 19 2009, at 12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time Comment Start Date: March 31 2009, at 12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time Comment Due Date: June 01 2009, at 11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time Tracking Number: 8099740b First Name: Terry Middle Name: S. Last Name: Singeltary City: Bacliff Country: United States State or Province: TX Organization Name: CJD WATCH

Comment: APHIS-2006-0118-0096


Greetings APHIS et al,



I would kindly like to comment on ; Docket ID APHIS-2006-0118 Docket Title Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Document ID APHIS-2006-0118-0096 Document Title Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program and Interstate Movement of Farmed or Captive Deer, Elk, and Moose with great sadness, my comments are as follows ;


DUE to the likelihood of CWD transmission to humans as a zootic disease, and proven transmission of CWD to other species via the lab, and the highly environmental transmission routes of CWD, the threat that game farms pose to the wild is great. RECENTLY, in the May 2009 CDC warns of this potential of prions to humans via CWD and Nutritional Supplements from ELK ANTLER VELVET. ALSO RECENTLY, a multi-state recall of ELK MEAT PRODUCTS FROM A CWD POSITIVE ELK. (they are not recalling all this meat for the well being of the dead cwd positive elk.) SOME of these game farms have proven to have a high infectious rate for CWD. Some as high as 79% infection rate. A NEW 2nd strain of CWD i.e. (THE WISCONSIN STRAIN of CWD?), and what will this curtail i.e. as in transmission ??? we found out with BSE in cattle, that the atypical strains, some are more virulent in transmission. FOR all these reasons, it is urgent to keep the failures of the CWD factory farming industry of 'big rack' deer and elk, to spreading to the wild. I urge that 100% CWD testing of elk, deer, and all animals on game farms tested for CWD/TSE. ANY positive should result in complete herd eradication. ANY GAME farm with one positive CWD animal must be shut down for good due to the ramifications of environmental infection risk factors, and future infection there from, there of. THE land there from, must be contained, and quarantined for 5 years, with no introduction of any game and or farm producing livestock for humans and or animals, and or crop production. Then a reevaluation of that farm/land and environmental risk factors there of must be done for a reassessment, before any use of that farm/land could go forward. ANY and all water run off must be contained at owners expense. ALL elk and deer and or any animal from game farms, must be identifiable and traceable, at all times. THIS all should be mandatory, and regulated by the federal government, because the chance of different regulations, and lack of enforcement, state by state, would enhance the spreading of CWD. WE must stop CWD before it spreads to all STATES, and until a validated 100% CWD TSE live test is available, one that can be used at birth, and until there is a way to completely decontaminate land that has been infected with the CWD agent, in my opinion, these draconian measures are the only plausible measures which i know of that can be taken, which might stop this spread of CWD to every state. see ;


see full text submission here ;


http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2006-0118-0100



DOCKET-- 03D-0186 -- FDA Issues Draft Guidance on Use of Material From Deer and Elk in Animal Feed; Availability

Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:47:37 Ė0500

EMC 1 Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Vol #: 1


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dai...903/060903.htm



http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dai...203/100203.htm




PLEASE SEE FULL TEXT SUBMISSION ;



http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2008/...ues-draft.html





Tuesday, July 17, 2012

O.I.E. BSE, CWD, SCRAPIE, TSE PRION DISEASE Final Report of the 80th General Session, 20 - 25 May 2012


http://transmissiblespongiformenceph...n-disease.html




Saturday, October 6, 2012

TRANSMISSION, DIFFERENTIATION, AND PATHOBIOLOGY OF TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHIES 2011 Annual Report


http://transmissiblespongiformenceph...ation-and.html





http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/BSE_Ris...c_Comments.pdf



http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comme...006-0011-1.pdf



http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...;oldLink=false



http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2006-0118-0100



http://www.fsis.usda.gov/oppde/comme...3-025ifa-2.pdf





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Wonder how many CWD cases there are here in georgia right now that we have no idea about??? And dang, guess what...... we don't even have an industry!!!!! Why do you guys automatically try to put the blame on the deer farming industry?? They didn't start the disease and there is no proof that the industry is responsible for the movement of the disease. Did you know that Ga was restocked with deer from other states?? Were these deer actually "CAUGHT" in the wild or did they come from facilities??? Make sure you dig deep before you answer this question! Wonder how many cases that have been found were a result of hunters or taxidermists illegally bringing deer into this state and throwing the remains of the carcasses(skull plate and brainstem included) out the back door???

Oh well.... 33 states already have the industry and more are coming!
And, your next President is Obama or Romney! This may be the BiG issue, boys.

Don't misunderstand me at all. I think CWD is a serious issue but I think EHD is a much bigger issue. Heck, EHD kills 100's of times more deer than CWD and I never hear you guys ranting and raving about this???
Why is it ok with you guys that we can house horses in 10x10 stalls and Breed them as we see fit and transport them both intra and interstate all over the country but not deer???

Maybe the same reason we ended up with the choice of Obama or Romney! Whatcha think??
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@TSS: You can follow the $$ all you want, but you have NO IDEA how inept the PAGC was at handling breeding opertations. They never even did inspections beyond the initial inspection! None. That changed immediately after Dept. of Ag took over. The PAGC wanted their check for the propagators permit and that's it. You really need to drop that point from your argument; it's invalid at best, and silly at worst.
Folks, anyone who thinks beauracracy of any kind is going to solve this (or any other) problem is only fooling themselves.
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@TSS: You can follow the $$ all you want, but you have NO IDEA how inept the PAGC was at handling breeding opertations. They never even did inspections beyond the initial inspection! None. That changed immediately after Dept. of Ag took over. The PAGC wanted their check for the propagators permit and that's it. You really need to drop that point from your argument; it's invalid at best, and silly at worst.
Folks, anyone who thinks beauracracy of any kind is going to solve this (or any other) problem is only fooling themselves.

Well, Jeff- I am going to have to disagree with you. The PGC did a darned good job with the regulation of deer farms. In fact, they did such a good job, our state's deer farmers went running to the legislature and asked for cervid farming to be placed with the PA Department of Agriculture (PDA).

Hunters protested (I can back this up with Pennsylvana Federation of Sportsman's Clubs position statements, etc); yet the cervid industry; backed with big $ protested and got their wish.

Hunters warned that when CWD was found in captive herds, it was soon after it was found in the wild populations, especially when single fences were used, and when bedding materials were thrown outside of the fence and not properly disposed of; and when run off from high rain events were able to wash infected soils, feces, etc. outside of the pens.

I attended a meeting last Wednesday where I brought several of these points up to PDA's Deputy Secretary Meals. He seemed in shock, until their own vet confirmed every word I said.
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