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Old 06-14-2012, 05:49 PM
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I want to incorporate some oats for this fall for Oct attractant. Is the buck forage oats one of the best seed? Is there some that is easier to grow than others? It's looking like a dry year.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:40 PM
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I have tried the buck forage twice... was not impressed either time...first time in a fall planting(labor day weekend)... was only about 3" tall when the first frost came the third week of October and killed them hammer dead. Tried them another time with a late March spring planting.. grew like crazy and was 2' tall in a short time... never really saw any deer use either time.
Have sown farm store "feed" oats on 3 occasions... can't say they did any worse than the bob oats.
Best test I ever did was to plant a fall hunting plot in a 4 acre field by sowing pure stand strips of brassicas, oats, and winter wheat. I spent a considerable amount of time sitting over the plot that fall and repeatedly watched my deer feed only on the winter wheat.
Thinking this fall I am going to try the same test with winter wheat, winter rye, and turnips.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:03 AM
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Best oats are the one you go buy for horse feed. They are cleaned and cheap and grow just as good as the crap that costs a fortune. You will not be disappointed.
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Jerry oats wont break the bank.

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:21 AM
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Dr. Deer sure praises the buck forage version.......
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:30 AM
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Dr. Deer sure praises the buck forage version.......

He also says brassicas are toxic to deer.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:42 AM
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I have not had very good luck with oats either. I can get them to grow fine - I just can't get the deer to eat them. I have the same deal with turnips. I will say that the deer in my area prefer winter wheat of all the cereal grains. After the season closes you can find deer out in the winter wheat fields eating anything that is green and again in the real early spring. They don't seeem to be much for a hunting plot in my area, but will provide food after the season. I am in farm country however and I also have standing corn plots so other food is available.
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Dr. Deer sure praises the buck forage version.......

Dr Deer won't share ALL he knows about BFO on TV either....just what you the audience and you the gullible consumer SHOULD hear. Things like BFO planted in replicated test plots adjacent to thick cover and NO deer use fall/winter/spring! Separating good marketing in a competitive industry from actual economics/usefullness to the plotter can be an elusive fine line! There are others besides Dr Deer playing this marketing game!

Especially when conditions are dry, look for a named oat (Bob, Jerry, Jim, Paul Ed, etc) with a certified seed tag and from the last production year. Get some of the seed out fromt eh bag fill spout and look at it. Are the kernals all plump and uniform in size with not off color(s)? If so buy it and plant it! In ideal planting/growing conditions, VNS or bin run oats are fine!

One thing you will find on this forum is 'average plotters/farmers' with honest opinions (but sometimes biased) and on-farm results, that in itself keeps most of the marketers only away!

Just remember as a US consumer you are free to make purchasing choices!
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:17 AM
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He also says brassicas are toxic to deer.

MAybe one should Google 'red deer and brassica'?

He also won't tell that the data he speaks of came from red deer in a pen with no other food choice than brassica. His claims have yet to be substantiated in a free ranging herd with good habitat!

Yes, he is a savy salesman in addition to a good scientist! Do you think the BFO sponsorship is making/has made his Corvette payments?

Fortunatley, the US consumer can make free and informed choices!

Google and Gooogle Scholar rocks....separting maketing and true science!
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:54 PM
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Do this: Take the money you would spend on Buck Forage Oats ($40+) and buy a bag of Jerry/Feed Oats or whatever your local supplier has on hand ($10). Then, take the money that you have left over and buy a membership to QDMA. That money will pay for itself with all the knowledge and information you get from this site and the publications.

Deer prefer the oats when they are young and tender, so plant them a few weeks before your hunting season begins. Once the plant gets above a certain age, the deer will no longer browse the plant (until it forms a seed head), unless they don't have any other food source.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:29 PM
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There are plenty of crops where variety matters. I have not found that to be the case with cereal grains. I typically buy them on price. I'm a bit leery of buy feed oats or any seed not intended for planting with a seed tag. There is not doubt this seed will grow and produce a good crop. I've done it with both oats and sunflowers. However, I'm concerned about potential weed seed that could introduce noxious weeds that I don't have. I am willing to pay a bit more for certified seed, but other than that, I buy cereal grains on price.
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:24 PM
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Have planted PlotSpike forage oats for the last ten (10) years. At about 100#/ac and roughly $0.20 - $0.25/lb. they are grazed heavily and respond well. These oats were developed at LSU as a forage type - worth more to me. Last year the oat inventories ran thin on account of the mid-west floods - not sure where we stand this year.
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Have used Buck Forage Oats for many, many years. Wondering if they were worth the price, I planted 50 lbs from a friend that was combining oats directly from his combine. I Planted the combine oats separate but in the middle of the BFO oats and put out corner stakes to mark the local ( combine) oats versus the BFO. The combine oats grew to 1 ft. tall and were not touched by the deer while The BFO were consistently browsed down to 1/4 inch. Both varieties were planted the first week of September.

I'm still spending the extra money!!

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Old 06-16-2012, 07:00 AM
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Dr. Deer sure praises the buck forage version.......


For which he is well-compensated, you can be sure. I'm not discounting Dr Woods' lifelong body of work, but I'm also not going to pay 3 or 4 times as much for a product, simply because he endorses it.

Frankly, the key to food-plotting is understanding a deer's stomach, and that means diversity! There is no marketing scheme involved here, no "magic" seed you can plant that will see every deer for miles eating exclusively from your field. Deer prefer certain browse items over others, but that list is constantly changing, one day to the next. With the possible exception of white oak acorns, deer don't focus on just one thing at a time.

Imagine a fussy 6 year-old with a dinner plate that has a hot dog, brussel sprouts, spinach and peas on it. If you're lucky, he might like one of those vegetables, but the odds are very good he'll eat the entire hot dog, then the veggie he likes, and maybe pick at the other two. Deer don't eat like this. Even when their favorite things are readily available, they keep eating a variety of browse, each day.

So, give them a variety to choose from...that's much more important than how pretty the deer on the expensive seed bag looks!
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:45 AM
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Schlag told me to try feed oats last year, and it was a huge success.

Took the deer a bit to discover they weren't just more grass, but then they POUNDED them.

Then the turkey discovered them, and I was unable to reseed due to predation from the birds.

I'll probably plant them again depending how well our other crops do. I'm putting my eggs in the pumpkin patch this year, but oats are a 3 week crop if you can get them wet.
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Dr. Deer sure praises the buck forage version.......

Dr. Deer praises his pocket book. Sadly, it's as simple as that. But he's just doing the same as others on tv.

Just buy oats locally. It's not a seed product that has any merit to pay shipping for. Essentially, oats are oats.

The one thing that I do try to do, is to purchase CERTIFIED SEED, as quality of the seed, is typically better, and less likely to contain a bunch os weed seed.

If you are using bin run seed, it's important to scout your fields (late winter/early spring) and if you see a bunch of nasty weeds, go ahead and plow the plot under, rather than letting a new weed problem get started. The benefit of the seedhead for the deer, is not worth the problem that that the new weeds create.
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Last year I did a 1.25 acre trial - Jerry Oats to BFO. Both fields ended up being completely destroyed but I have to admit, the BFO were eaten first and seemed to be preferred. At the end of the day the $60/bag price most likely is not worth it since all the oats were eaten.

The other weird thing, the BFO came back up this spring. I over seeded WI Chicory Plus. The Jerry oats didn't. I planted them at the same time and the same way. I don't know why but the BFO are protecting my clover right now with the drought in Wisconsin
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The price we are paying in New York for Buck Forage Oats is $33 per 50 pound bag at the local stores. When I first started using it I was paying $11 per bag!! Boy do I miss the good old days of only a few years ago!!
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:29 PM
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Just checked - $65/50lb bag. At 100lb per acre recommended application rate you are at $130/acre
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BFO were $36/50lb bag last year. Not sure what the price will be this up coming season. I've been planting BFO and Bob oats side by side the past two seasons. My find is that the deer do prefer the BFO although they like them both.
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