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Old 01-09-2012, 01:33 PM
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Default Good price on 36" Vinyl tree guards(spiral)

Just picked up 125 from Boyers nursery For $1 each. Shipping was only $12.


In my experience, these work very well protecting fruit trees from deer rubbing and mice/rabbit girdling. I also use on my Chinese Chestnut which will get destroyed otherwise.



http://www.boyernurseries.com/supplies.htm






Also, Tree Pro has their new version of the 48" Miracle Tubes for $2.30 each if you get more than 250. I bought 275 and with shipping the total came to $742 but they cut me a deal and gave them to me for $700 out the door. That's $2.54 each for some of the best 4 ft tubes out there.


The new Miracle tubes have the rib at the top and bottom as well as a seem down the side which will break open instead of girdling the tree when the tree gets older. They also already have the good tie clips installed which can easily be re-opened.


http://www.treepro.com/id89.html
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:41 PM
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Here's what the tree guards look like for anyone not familiar.



(image borrowed from Coldstream)







Here's the Miracle tubes.





Note, the Miracle tubes come 5 in a bundle. There will be smaller diameter tubes on the inside bt in my experience, they're still wide enough to work well. Keep this in consideration if you need all wider tubes.
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:20 PM
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I found out that if you do not watch the spiral wrap close it will start girdleing trees,I pulled all mine and put on screen.How does the tube price compare to what QDMA is charging,they always beat the prices I could find so I need to check before this years order
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Old 01-09-2012, 07:21 PM
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I would have tried ordering off QDMA but I think they're keeping their tubes a secret.





I asked the woman at Boyer's nursery and she said they haven't had problems with these girdling trees. I'm sure it can happen. Especially when they get older.

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Old 01-09-2012, 11:25 PM
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.How does the tube price compare to what QDMA is charging,they always beat the prices I could find so I need to check before this years order


got a link to the ones your talking about?
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:02 AM
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I have field tested the so called "miracle tubes" in my commerical apple orchard and I can assure you for apple trees it no miracle. Apple trees
like to sucker and the tube becomes an intangled mess of shoots that
are difficult to get at to to prune. Because the barrier is loose it invites
adult egg laying insects that produce a number of bores. Apple trees do
best when a protective barrier is applied that allows air to flow and keeps
the lower trunk from trapping moisture. I hope Ben and Maya weight in
on this because they are both experienced apple growers and certain they
will not back up this product specifically for apple trees. Unlike apple trees,
I am sure these guards are benefical for protecting and growing of hardwood
species such as oak, walnut, chestnut, and maple.
I have used spirals and they can get imbedded in the cambium and have to
be inspected and sometimes adjusted each year. They do not provide
adequate protection from bores but should help protect from sunscauld.
I have been using window screening for years. An idea that I picked up
at the UVM Hort Farm 15 years ago. They affixed a piece of AL screening
around the base. I expanded on that and apply a 26 inch high piece that is
large enough for the tree to grow for several years without maintenance.
I staple inward on both sides with a generous amount of staples which allows the screening to remain tight as the tree grows. In the past 5 years, I have
lost only 1 tree of 350 to voles and no bore damage or sun scauld. There
is no other material that can do that. The Treepro tube has its place in
a land managers tool bag but should not be used on apple trees!
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:33 AM
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..... Because the barrier is loose it invites
adult egg laying insects that produce a number of bores. Apple trees do
best when a protective barrier is applied that allows air to flow and keeps
the lower trunk from trapping moisture........!




Apple man, were you using the vented Miracle tubes?




I use these for smaller 12-18' seedlings we get from our game commission. For us, the key is getting the seedlings above the browse line of deer as quickly as possible and the Miracle tubes provide the accelerated growth and protection we want. Once we get that growth to the height we want, we take the tubes off and put on the vinyl guards to protect against voles and bucks rubbing.


As for window screening vs spiral guards, we have both. Our 85 tree orchard(ACN nursery trees)up on the hill has the window screening and are fully fenced and the 32 tree orchard on the lower part of the property has the vinyl. We've lost 9 trees up on the hill with the window screening but I admit, we didn't bury the screening into the ground. We've yet to lose one tree with the vinyl guards.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:29 PM
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I was provided a free sample of Tree Pro guards after I made a statement
in an article that did not endorse the use for apple trees. After using them
I was even more convinced these guards should not be used around apple
trees.

I have a network of friends in Quebec and Vermont who manage orchards
many times larger than mine. Never have I seen the use of a pro-guard in
a commerical orchard or any of the research centers I have visited.

I don't understand how the screening failed or how you lost trees using this
material. I suspect it is in the way you applied it around the tree. Please
detail to me how you did it. Spirals should work well for voles, but as the
trees gets bigger it becomes more exposed. I have not seen were spirals are
fool proof for preventing bore damage which has been my problem in the past. How did your trees die? Voles?
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:33 PM
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Here's my orchard that I'm using screening.









Here's where I'm using the spiral wrap,







Not sure what killed the others.



Appleman, when you say Tree Pro guards, are you referring the the yellow tree tubes or something else?


I've had very good luck using the vented tree tubes for both crabapple and apple seedlings.
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Old 01-11-2012, 10:38 PM
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It looks like you use a herbicide around your screened in trees but not your
spiral rapped trees. Is this right? If so are you using a glyposate formulation or a Roundup Concentrate Nice pic's!
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