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Old 06-06-2009, 04:44 PM
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I went to my orchard this morning and noticed this new surprise. I have wire mesh around the bottom of the trees and removed it for the picture. It appears that a woodpecker created the upper hole and when I investigated further, I found some rotted section below the hole. I exposed it a cut of the dead section. I ran a wire up from the bottom section and it connects to the top hole. I have no idea what type of bug/worm created this, but the tree still looks really healthy. Should I do anything to fill in these craters? Pruning spray, epoxy, wood filler, etc, or should I leave it alone. The tunnel that connects the tope to the bottom hole runs between the two and I would like to seal that off since it could be a future home for some sort of bug. What do you think?
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:43 PM
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Woodpeckers will not typically attack healthy tissue. They're usually a sign that that part of the tree had dead wood in that area. I wouldn't do anything to the wound. It's hard to see where the live tissue is on either side of the hole, but I'd imagine it'll seal over in a couple years.

That's an odd looking wound on the bottom. It's hard to believe you got that much damage even with a wire guard.
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:16 PM
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That wound section was sitting above the wire mesh. The bottom crater looks like open burrowed tunnels. Yes, I think the woodpecker was pecking at the dead tissue and I found more and removed it. My only concern is that covered connecting tunnel from the top hole to the bottom section. I was thinking about filling that tunnel so it's a not a bug refuge. The other sections are open, so they should heal.
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That wound section was sitting above the wire mesh. The bottom crater looks like open burrowed tunnels. Yes, I think the woodpecker was pecking at the dead tissue and I found more and removed it. My only concern is that covered connecting tunnel from the top hole to the bottom section. I was thinking about filling that tunnel so it's a not a bug refuge. The other sections are open, so they should heal.

Mix up white interior latex paint, with joint compound and make a thick slurry. Take a cheap brush and cover that wound, leaving no breathing holes.

You have borers in there.

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Old 06-08-2009, 06:55 AM
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Ben, did you try that with your mom's trees?
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Ben, did you try that with your mom's trees?

I gave the holes an injection of insecticide, and then painted them.

A trick from a friend of mine, he has been doing it for years.

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I think I'll try that too. pray it with Malthion, let it dry and then come back with some latex paint.
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I gave the holes an injection of insecticide, and then painted them.

A trick from a friend of mine, he has been doing it for years.

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I've got one more tree that got a borer, I may paint them all.
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I think I'll try that too. pray it with Malthion, let it dry and then come back with some latex paint.

Those are much bigger holes than what I have, you must have had some wood peckers after the grubs.
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I gave the holes an injection of insecticide, and then painted them.

A trick from a friend of mine, he has been doing it for years.

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Well, it's worse than I thought. I have 4 infected trees in one corner of an orchard. I took a spray bottle and filled the holes as best I could with Imidan then covered those holes with that slury. I'll keep everyone posted. I also sprayed the rest of the trees at the bases.

One of those trees is that 4th leaf Liberty which is loaded with apples. I'm going to hand thin it.
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Oh ya, Ben did you paint the whole bases all around the tree? I was afraid to with that thick a paint. Most whitewashes call for a deluted paint. I'm crossing my fingers. # of them are beautiful Honey Crisp in perfect shape otherwise.
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Is the paint absolutely supposed to be exterior. I ask because I have an old can of interior white.
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I've seen some of the locals paint the bases of all their fruit trees with white paint. Is there any advantage to doing that? I suppose the purpose is to prevent borers.
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Oh ya, Ben did you paint the whole bases all around the tree? I was afraid to with that thick a paint. Most whitewashes call for a deluted paint. I'm crossing my fingers. # of them are beautiful Honey Crisp in perfect shape otherwise.

I'm putting it on trees that have borers already, and damage that has exposed bare wood....too inviting for insects.... Ralph has painted all of his trees in the 2-15 year old range with it, and it doesn't seem to bother them.

My trees that I spray do not seem to get borers....so far....The mice are what is killing me.

Interior latex..white...doesn't have the chemicals.
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Should we paint our young whips????
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Should we paint our young whips????

I've never seen a borer in a small tree (1" or less), but someone else might have different experience?
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My problems are with 3rd & 4th leaf trees thus far.
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So you guys only paint the trees if you have a problem, not as a preventive measure?
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I've painted mine before in the past as a preventive measure against cracking in the spring. I've never seen an adverse effect. However, I haven't painted them in a few years as evident by my recent borer problem. I'm going to give them all a whitewash coat today.
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I've painted mine before in the past as a preventive measure against cracking in the spring. I've never seen an adverse effect. However, I haven't painted them in a few years as evident by my recent borer problem. I'm going to give them all a whitewash coat today.


I was just wondering about painting with this heavy coat of paint/ joint compound, as aposeed to a deluted latex.

I had to go back out and fill in holes again that seemed to have opened. I just pushed in some dry paint mix.
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