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Old 05-16-2011, 12:31 PM
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We are trying to get enrolled in a windbreak program and are thinking of options for our road screen.

We want evergreens for year round protection from poachers/pressure of cars driving by.

They have to be native species and planted at 7'x7' spacing.

My initial thought was to do:

3 rows of Eastern White pine backed by
2 rows of Red Cedar

I figure I would put the White pine closer to the road, and the Red Cedar property side. When/if the White pine shed their lower branches when mature, the RC would be a back up to fill in the gap.

The White pines would grow faster and taller, but would risk getting browsed/rubbed so we would put them closer to the road. Not as much risk with the RC getting beat up/browsed so we put them property side.

The scree will run North to South so all sides should get full sun.

Any thoughts/suggestions??

Will this get the job done, or should we re-evaluate species, or number of rows?
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:54 PM
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Bigeight, I enrolled in a continuous CRP windbreak this year. We have two rows of Norway spruce (althought not native they are allowed in the program), back by two rows of a mix of crabapples, dogwoods, and highbush cranberry.

I'd definetly pick the norways over the white pine for screening purposes.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:40 PM
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I agree, white pines are very susceptible to wind sweep, not good for open wind breaks. Spruce are much more wind firm.

Plant white pine inside of the wind break.

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Old 05-16-2011, 02:16 PM
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Thanks, I had no idea they would accept Norways!!

That is good news,

How many rows would you use?

Would you even use any other species? Or just go straight Norway spruce for the whole screen?

I am going to stay away from any shrubs in this particular area.
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I enrolled several windbreaks some as habitat, and a few as road screens. If I had five rows to work with I would do the following, this is based on trial and error.

Cedar
Spruce
Spruce
Aspen or Pin Oak
Plum

If no shrubs were involved and no hardwoods:

Cedar
Spruce
Spruce
Spruce
Norway Pine

That is just what has worked for me, here is a screen of spruce, spruce, ash, crabapple and nanking cherry...planted in 2003 or 2004...I would re-do this if I could, with the exception of spruce
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:58 PM
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I assume you mean Red Cedar with that mix? (I would think Whites would get pounded)

I am not sold on 5 rows, that is just what I was thinking.

Did they make you stick to their 7'x7' spacing, or will they let you go tighter?

Does this sound better?

4'x4' Red cedar close to the road,
7x7'Norway spruce
Norway spruce
Norway spruce
Norway pine????
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Here is the Program sheet for the Continuous CRP windbreak I enrolled in:

ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/MI/pro...ch%202011).pdf
(BTW..the link only works for me about 50% of the time. So if it won't work just try back a little later)

It has the information as far as different species and range of spacing that can be used.
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Old 05-16-2011, 03:31 PM
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Thanks, I got the link to work.

It is different than the info we got

the list we got said 7x7' spacing??

That makes a big difference, I'll hopefully get some more info today.
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How fast do the red cedar grow. I have used Norways and they are about 8 years old and will not make an effective screen for another 2-3 years I suspect.
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I choose Norways for the same purpose... I planted 8 foot apart, 10 foot rows staggered for the first 3 rows... then space around 12 foot between rows and 12 foot between trees for another 2 rows.

I got my containerized stock from Itasca Nursery and they are doing great so far... had a few brown a bit the week or so after planting, but have bounced back nicely.
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How fast do the red cedar grow. I have used Norways and they are about 8 years old and will not make an effective screen for another 2-3 years I suspect.

How big were the Norway's when you planted them?
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I enrolled several windbreaks some as habitat, and a few as road screens. If I had five rows to work with I would do the following, this is based on trial and error.

Cedar
Spruce
Spruce
Aspen or Pin Oak
Plum

If no shrubs were involved and no hardwoods:

Cedar
Spruce
Spruce
Spruce
Norway Pine

That is just what has worked for me, here is a screen of spruce, spruce, ash, crabapple and nanking cherry...planted in 2003 or 2004...I would re-do this if I could, with the exception of spruce

Are those White spruce, or Norways? What size were those when you planted them in 03-04'? Wondering how much that plastic is paying a role in the growth comparison?
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Are those White spruce, or Norways? What size were those when you planted them in 03-04'? Wondering how much that plastic is paying a role in the growth comparison?

The trees in the photo are Black Hills Spruce, but Norways or White will work just fine. Black Hills Spruce grow slow, but they are drought tolerant. When they are mature, they do make a nice screen...again Norway and White, I like them as well!!

Plastic helps a lot.

Red Cedar is better than White Cedar, simply because the deer will hammer white cedar, and red cedar is very tough.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:56 PM
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Sounds like they are open to suggestion on the windbreak, and have some flexibility,

Right now I am thinking best case scenario, I would go
4x4' spacing with the roadside row of Red Cedar
followed by 3 rows of 7x7' spacing of Norway spruce
followed by a row of ....something Pine???

How does this sound as a starting point?

Does the plastic help, or hurt evergreens? The water table is very high in this area. I would love the weed protection, but would fear hurting the evergreens, I know they prefer well drained soil. Thoughts on that
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My Norways were about 18"-24" when I planted them. They were in pots when I got them. They are probably pushing 6-8' tall after 8 years in full sun.
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I have white spruce, norway spruce, and white pine going into their 5th year. I have some approaching 6 ft tall but have another couple years before they will provide a good screen.

I was advised to not plant all one type of spruce in case of disease, etc. You may consider making one of your spruce rows white spruce.

I have 4 rows along the perimeter of my farm. All white pines get browsed/rubbed if not caged. They do grow a little faster. If I could do it again, I would not plant white pine.

I planted my trees as 2-2 bare roots and spray each year for weeds.

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