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buckmaster
02-11-2007, 04:14 PM
what do you guys think
I made some salt licks this weekend and was disappointed on what i could find to put out. All trace minerals i could find were 98% to 99% salt! So after looking around some more i found this:

Dumor Spring Mineral
calcium 13%
phosphorus 3%
salt (nacl) 19%
sodium (na) 8%
magnesium 13.5%
potassium 1%
copper 675ppm
selenium 20 ppm
zinc 1800 ppm
vitamin a 60,000 iu/ib
vitamin d 15,000 iu/ib
vitamin e 100 iu/ib

This stuff is $14.00 a bag and easy to get, sure would be nice if it would work. What do you think
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perchjerker
02-11-2007, 05:02 PM
is called DI-Calciumphosphate,it can be purchased at farm supply stores .it appears to have the same basic minerals.we mix it with TraceMineral salt from the same place,

Anderson
02-11-2007, 06:25 PM
buckm and perchj:

FWIW, the mineral tag you show here is a lot different from dicalcium phosphate. The latter only has Calcium and Phosphorus, and does not contain any trace minerals, salt, or vitamins.

If the magnesium is really 13% on that Dumor mineral that is extremely high and it would be less palatable than most...especially since the salt content is fairly low. The mag-ox is bitter.

Farm4deer
02-11-2007, 08:02 PM
That is a "Hi Mag" cattle mineral. As stated, magnesium is rather unpalatable. I would much rather use a 16:8 summer type formulation with low mg. The higher Phosphorus will do you much more good than the mg. The most important things is consumption. If they will not eat it, I can assure you it does them no good. Mineral consumption is relatively low and probably one of the cheapest inputs you have. Not worth going cheap, buy the best you can find, that they will eat. Do not be frustrated with lack of consumption. I have tried just about every mineral and presentation imaginable in the last 12 years and haven't found any consistant results. Good Luck!!

buckmaster
02-11-2007, 09:27 PM
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Vita-Rack 26 Tecomate
Horns-A-Plenty Mossy Oaks Biologic
Full Potential Antler King
Trophy Deer Mineral DumorPasture Mineral
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$9.99/5lbs $17.99/16lbs $13.99/16lbs $22.95 / 20lb
$6.92/50lbs $7.50/50lbs

Calcium 7.5-8.5 18-21 19.6 17-18 12-14 13.5-16
Phosphorus 3.5 10 9.8 8.5 12 6
Salt 32-37 32-36 67-68 21-24 11.75-14 20-24
Magnesium .15 .6 N/A 1.2 1.2 .5
Potassium .15 .4 N/A .9 .5 .5
Manganese 105ppm .08 N/A 120ppm 1800ppm N/A
Copper 600ppm .0035 N/A 40ppm 500-505ppm 650ppm
Cobalt 5ppm .0007 N/A 4.5ppm 18ppm N/A
Iodine 1ppm .0017 N/A .6ppm 125ppm 50ppm
Selenium N/A N/A N/A 20ppm 20ppm 12ppm
Zinc 45ppm .12 N/A 200ppm 1950ppm 750ppm
Vit A 50000 IU/lb 65000 IU/lb 260000 IU/lb 11000 IU/lb 60000 IU/lb 15000 IU/lb
Vit D 20000 IU/lb 33845 IU/lb 110000 IU/lb 1000 IU/lb 15000 IU/lb N/A
Vit E 50 IU/lb 206 IU/lb N/A 10 IU/lb 100 IU/lb N/A

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Whitetail Deer Homemade Mineral Recipe

Makes 200 lbs. for about $30.00

Ingredients:

1 part Di-calcium phosphate - This is a dairy feed additive bought at feed stores. Comes in 50 lbs. bags at around $11.00. Buy 1 bag.
2 parts Trace mineral salt - The red and loose kind without medications. Comes in 50 lbs. bags at around $7.00. Buy 2 bags.
1 part Stock salt, ice cream salt, or rock salt - Comes in 50 lbs. bags at around $5.00. Buy 1 bag.


Directions:

Use a 3 pound or similar size coffe can to use as your measure for each part of the mix.
Mix all ingredients together well, but not until ready to use. Keep all ingredients separate until ready to put to use.
Dig or tear up a circle in the soil about 3 feet in diameter and 6 inches deep.
Mix your mineral mixture with the soil.


Maintenance:

Replenish in 6 months with a fresh supply of mineral, then once each year after that.

VITAMINS

Vitamins are important in the diet of a deer because the organic compounds are needed in small portions to support life.

1. - Vitamin A - The generic name given to a group of naturally-occurring molecules called retinoid. These powerful components are needed for an effective immune system. They are necessary for cellular function, normal vision, healthy skin and maintenance of the digestive and reproductive systems.
2. - Vitamin D - Responsible for getting the important bone builders-calcium and phosphorous-where they can help bone and antler growth.
3. - Vitamin E - Alleviates respiratory problems boosts the deer immune system to fight off infectious diseases and also an antioxidant which is associated with selenium.

The level of Vitamin A & D in your feed manages the deer’s absorption of calcium and phosphorous.

MINERALS

Minerals are important in a deer’s diet because they’re essential in antler, bone and tooth development, enzyme activation, hormone actions and water balance:

Macro Minerals: Minerals needed in large amounts in the diet are termed “Macro Minerals”. These include calcium, phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, sodium and sulfur.

1. - Calcium - Is absorbed through the small intestine and into the blood, combined with phosphorous to help hard crystal-like substances that create the latticework on which stronger antler, bone and teeth are built.
2. - Phosphorus - Needed for the deer’s formation of antler, bone and teeth. Important in many of the chemical reactions in the deer’s body, including the ones that help regulate the release of energy that fuels the body. Eighty-five percent of their body’s phosphorous is located in the bones.
3. - Potassium - A crucial mineral that is very important in proper pH balanced and proper digestion. Along with sodium and chloride it helps to form electrolytes, the electrically charged icons which make up a deer’s body fluid.
4. - Magnesium - Vital for making sure the calcium is used properly, which is crucial for sturdy teeth and bones. It helps turn food into energy and assist in the transmission of electrical impulses across nerves and muscles.
5. - Sodium - Is a natural carrier for trace minerals. It plays a major role in nerve impulse transmission and the rhythmic maintenance of heart action. Efficient absorption of amino acids and monosaccharide from the small intestine requires adequate sodium. [Note: Salt is unique in that animals have a much greater appetite for the sodium and chloride in salt than any other minerals.]
6. - Sulfur - Helps in the digestion of foods and is found based in the tendons and cartilage.

Trace Minerals: There are seven trace minerals that have been shown to be needed in supplementing a deer’s diet. They are iron, copper, zinc, manganese, cobalt, iodine and selenium. They are needed in very small amount, or traces, in the diet and hence their name, “trace minerals.”

1. - Iron - Most of the iron consumed goes to form hemoglobin. The rest is stored in the bone marrow, antlers, liver, spleen and other organs. It is part of the critical enzymes which help in the digestion of feed.
2. - Copper - Helps play a role in the deer’s formation of flexible connective tissue and in the functioning of muscles, nerves and in the immune system. A deficiency can cause a weakened heart and blood vessels.
3. - Zinc - A mineral that works overtime to produce cells to keep the deer healthy, aids in enzymes activation and is essential in first stage of antler growth. Healing, development, pregnancy, and lactation are all situations where there is an increased need for zinc because of the need for more cells.
4. - Manganese - Is an essential part of biochemical reactions that affect the deer’s bone, cartilage, brain function and energy supply. It makes up a part of molecules known as mucopolysaccharides, which are used to form collagen, the strong, fibrous connective material that builds tissue throughout the body including bone and cartilage. It also helps break down carbohydrates and fat for energy.
5. - Cobalt - Found in B-12 and needed for the deer’s growth, digestion and rumen function.
6. - Iodine - Used by the thyroid gland to produce an important hormone called thyroxin. This helps regulate energy production, muscle tone, aid during breeding and the manufacture and breakdown of tissue in deer.
7. - Selenium - A powerful antioxidant that is thought to play a role in eyesight, liver function, heart health, hair and skin health.

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Farm4deer
02-11-2007, 09:45 PM
Good grief, I just had a horrible flash back of biochem and nutrition class.

When I said don't go cheap earlier, I forgot just how much "magic dust" there is on the market. Find a good deer or cattle mineral with a 2:1 Cal:Phos ratio that has somewhere from 25 - 50%(??) salt so that they will eat it. A more reputable company may even have an organic source of trace minerals. This helps insure absorption and utilization. You should be able to find something that will fit the bill for $20 or less per 50#. We use Record Rack mineral and it runs about $9.50 for 25#. I have also used a cattle mineral called Right Now Emerald. It is a summer mix that is 16:8 and runs about $16.00 for 50#. The "homemade" mineral mixes can work very well, just don't go overboard with the salt.

You need to figure out how to get your deer to read all of the nutrient info you compiled so they will realize how much you are trying to help them. Then maybe they will acctually eat it. All kidding aside, now is the time to get it out if you have decided to use a mineral station (please refain from getting back into the supplement debate:D ). As soon as antlers are shed bucks begin craving minerals. Bucks actually go into a mineral deficit during the antler growing season. It takes about 110 days for antlers to fully form from the time the old one is shed and an additional 20 days for mineral deposition and hardening. 75 days into this process the antler is only about 30% formed. SO, the last 50 days (~May - July depending on where you live) the antler does 70% of its growth and the bucks just crave minerals. It is best to already have the mineral status of the buck at a higher level before you get to this critical development period. Let us know how it works!!

buckdeer1
02-12-2007, 10:18 AM
I decided to go with a proven and got purina for 9.85 per 25lb bag